discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. This is my official multipliers guide for kaioken, super saiyan forms, and potara. It is more powerful than 400 times multiplier like Super Saiyan. they solo the verse Potara fusion made Base Vegito>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 goku so over a 3200 times multiplier 12 Ki multiplier is 150%; 24 Ki Multiplier is 200% (full 12-24 Ki Multipliers table) Maximum Super Attack level is 20, which increases the SA multiplier by an additional 30%; Potara Fusion activates when HP is 50% or below, starting from the 6th turn from the start of battle "Raises ATK for 1 turn" is +30% to SA multiplier At that point, his base form would have been more than enough to deal with Buu. We know the fusion has to combine the max power levels of each individual. Vegeta And Goku in DBZ Buu Arc were not evenly matched. But what if they are just being normal? The dragon ball universe knows many fusion types from which some are considered an absorbtion such as Buu and Cell consuming some to become stronger. Potara fusion is the most powerful fusion in dragon ball anime. It's a pretty hard low ball. It was stated that the fusion dance increases the power by a dozen times, it was stated that is how powerful SSJ4 Gogeta was compared to SSJ4 Goku, the potara may be the same but if it is stronger then the fusion dance then it may be due to being fused together with Godly energy as opposed to Mortal energy, it would explain why Potara fusions seem mightier then their Dance counterparts. To perform it, two nearby individuals must be wearing a single earring, but on opposite ears. So she was using the flight or fight response to draw out the infinite potential of Caulifla. So logically it's the max power of both participants that's being added. We've no evidence to say whether or not the power boost left him. I came up with a Fusion theory multiplier and why the Base Form is always stronger than the separate fighters Final Form (Like Goku’s SSJ3). How much stronger would Vegetto have been at that point? Information on those do count as well for the answer I am seeking as it is mainly about the power multiplier and not the 2 minds controlling 1 body thing. Yes, the magical charm on Vegeta's forehead disappeared, but Babi-di's magic drew out Vegeta's hidden power rather than giving him power from nowhere. What's more, the fusion draws from both Kale's potentially limitless power and Caulifla's ability to bring out to her very limit (but would probably still be no match for Vegetto Blue, if my calculation still stands.). Would that influence the Fusion? Kefla is only strong because she has a GREATER version of Kales LSSJ passive ability(huge energy) Kale gets a huge pool of KI(1 planet size pool of energy) Kefla gets 12 planet size pool of energy. As of right now, we have: (Fusee 1 + Fusee 2)*tens of times. Look at your formula you could argue it's weaker then ss3 which it's clearly not. So the Fusion takes those numbers, adds them and multiplies them to come with the Fusion's Power, as I do not believe that the Potara Fusion uses the max potential of the user, but like the Fusion Dance, uses their current level of power. But it still has to be tens of times in PL increase at the very least considering it could even be argued that even SSJ Gotenks was strong enough to somewhat fight against Super Buu (Going from what Goku said in the manga where both him and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against him individually). If we just add Goten's base power to Trunk's base power, then base Gotenks is 10. Welcome Guest. and even then, anything other than the kaio kens multiplier has openly been dismissed by the author ever since frieza was defeated. So the Fusion takes those numbers, adds them and multiplies them to come with the Fusion's Power, as I do not believe that the Potara Fusion uses the max potential of the user, but like the Fusion Dance, uses their current level of power. The SSJ forms are multipliers on top of that product. Potara Fusion is a way to fuse using the Supreme Kais Potara earrings. Much weaker than SSJ Goten or SSJ Trunks. Kaboom wrote:I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I heard someone from Kanzenshuu propose a very interesting theory about Potara: Even if you don't need to be similar in size, race, power, etc in order to fuse like with the Fusion Dance, it still produces a more effective and powerful Fusion if you ARE similar. Honestly, Base Power is something that has always been difficult to keep track of in the series, because we only know when they lower it to hide themselves. So, back in the Buu Saga, Goku and Vegeta are evenly matched as SS2, so their base form must be equal as well. Vegito in DBZ was inbetween SSJ3-SSG it's the only way to measure it. Unlike other fusions, the fusion cannot be undone. And since KI= Power = Powering up Kefla technically has "infinite" strength which makes her strong (just her body prob can only handle so much). Dragon Ball Vegito Potara Fusion Dope 3d Full Print T Shirt. That's a special case, I would think. The reason we know this is since using the SSJ multipliers, with a base of 5, Goten would be 250 as a SSJ. "On p.63 it describes the Potara fusion as being closer to multiplication rather than simple addition in the way it increases power. If we use your formula then Vegito would only 44 times stronger then base Goku which is weaker then SS1; which is obviously wrong. Is their power lower than full power? If I recall right, Elder Kai specifically tells Goku to not fuse while transformed. I am making this to prove what I think the multipliers could be, and to prove why I HATE scaling with numbers. Let's denote their base forms' power level as Goku=Vegeta=1 radish. It's not Base+Base. Vegetto would remain fused in the events of Dragon Ball Multiverse. They both are more or less the same multiplier as stated after DBS Broly. Fusion has just as much to do with the two participants' personalities, compatibility, and generally how much they're in sync with each other as it has to do with measurement of their power. What is The Potara Fusion Multiplier. just like always. It is also why I argue that, had Goku and Vegeta both gone SSJ Blue, and then fused to fight Merged Zamasu, the arc would have been over and done with, because at that point, Vegetto would not have needed to go SSJ Blue, and thus would not have drained the Potara's time limit. Pretty much everyone who is above SSJ3 but under SSG are in this plane field. Dragon Ball Z Secret Facts About Fusion Screenrant. So Potara should be the same, th users full power in their transformed state, will result into a more powerful fusion, compared to a user who uses full base power to fuse. I could be 100% wrong with these, but who cares. Now for the Fusion Dance, the users must be at the exact same level of power. His passive will decrease damage received by 80% and then will counter with a 300% multiplier. So transformation affecting the strenght of the fusion is utter nonsense. I don't think this makes sense. So what if Goku and Vegeta were transformed, what if Goku was an SSJ3 and Vegeta an SSJ2, the height of their respective powers. Unlike other things like the Super Saiyan forms or the Kaio-Ken, we've never been given a solid, mathematical way to predict the outcome of any Fusion method (beyond vague and non-committal "many times" or "tens of times" for specific individuals), and for good reason. As you said, what Vados says does make sense. Dbs Potara Fusion Multiplier Revealed Dragon Ball Super Ep. Mystic Gohan handled Super Buu with relatively minimal difficulty, and the threshold for that to happen is ~1.5x, so Mystic Gohan ≥ 1.5x Super Buu ≥ 600 radishes. all we know is that higher form or more kaioken means they're stronger than a second ago. It's "(A + B) x Plot." Supposedly, Vegetto's battle power is equivalent to Goku's battle power multiplied by Vegeta's. There's a mod for Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 that now allows Goku and Vegeta to Fuse into Vegito using Potara Fusion! So the Potara is absolutely at least (A+B)x50. As of right now, we have: (Fusee 1 + Fusee 2)*tens of times. Now Vegeta are around the same level of strength, which you pointed out and it makes perfect sense so we could say that f1 + f2 = 2f1 = 2f2. The Elder Kai said in the Buu Arc that the difference between transforming before Potara Fusion and after is that you can't go below that transformation while fused and that can lower your lifespan. Substitute in the equation, and we get: (F1+F2)*22 at bare minimum for Potara's multiplier. Adds fusees power then multiplies by 15. But for the sake of this discussion, lets assume that during their fight with Buu, they were at full power. Combine that with the fact that Potara fusion increases power by multiple ten folds, it's no wonder that they were as strong as they were. I'll make the assumption that at this point, he is over 2 times Buus strength, and we get the following: SS Vegetto ≥ 2x Buuhan ≥ 5.5 Super Buu ≥ 2200 radishes or: Base Vegetto ≥ 44 radishes. Honestly, going by what we know of Goku's strength and Vegeta's strength in their transformed states, Vegetto would never have needed to go Super Saiyan. This is not because it’s stated in Daizenshu 4, just look at what its capable of. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Agreed, Power Scaling is something of a mess in DBZ, it's even worse with Super, but regardless. Super Buu was as strong as, if not a little bit stronger. if even angels only estimate it as vaguely as tens of thousands, maybe its time to understand that literally any powerup and every character and every move and every form adds a very variable ammount of power. Even if we assume that ten of times is to be taken to it's maximum amount which is 100 (if it was higher, it wouldn't be said as tens of times) then it's still only a 200 times multiplier which is much better but still weaker then SSj3 Goku at this point and base Vegito is defiantly stronger then SSj3 Goku so it's still to low a multiplier. Ever since Vados' comment that Potato Fusion adds the 2 fusees' power together and multiplies tht by tens of times, I've been thinking up a way to approximate the formula. Also Kefla wasn't exactly stronger than SSB, she struggled with Goku in that form when he was tired from fighting against Jiren. when a "potara", "fusion" category ally is in the same attack turn (once only but a 1% chance to happen twice) ... ↑ 12 Ki Multiplier would now be 250% and 24 Ki Multiplier would now be 300%. However with Potara this is not a requirement, which begs the question. However, what you ought to get from this is that Potara Fusion is insanely strong. Ultimate and Invincible Fusion Vegito - Insane all-round unit capable of hitting hard and tank while never struggling for Ki at the same time - Very high 12-Ki multiplier - Transformation condition is very easy to achieve without requiring any specific categories or character - Great linkset - … The best leader for Potara. Silver Potara - Fusion lasts 2 days, the stronger fusee's personality takes complete control. SSj2 is a x100 multiplier If we assume base Kale and Caulifla are about the same power then Base Kefla did better against Goku than SSj2 Caulifla did. Potara Fusion (ポタラの合体, Potara Fusion) is a powerful Fusion technique using the Potara earrings. This character combines excellent offensive and defensive capabilities, along with a very useful 'full heal' when Potara fusion is triggered. 1 fold= ??????? Presumably this is due to the normally permanent nature of said fusion. Majin Buu was capable of fighting on par with SS3 Goku, and in the manga, Goku himself stated that Buu's power level "was a lie", meaning that he could've been even stronger, thus Majin Buu ≥ 400 radishes. Not to mention that any attempt to "calculate" this sort of thing will rely on a lot of fan opinion and conjecture in the first place, making it a little extra moot. But what if Goku had not listened? Please Login or Register. Also, it was never stated that base Vegetto is stronger than SS3 Goku, so there's that. Essential: He is here to tank and counter. The old grandpa Kai was the first Kaioshin to introduce the Potara fusion in dragon ball. Dragon ball potara fusion. Do they need to purposely power up fully? All we know is that everytime fusion is shown at the show the opponent is destroyed, if that formula was remotely close to the right the fusion power is exponential and if the two fighters are strong enough it could be millions,billions,trilions or far higher, if the fighters are weak like 2 average humans they would barely be wall level. if we have learned anything from the Fusions, both Potara and Dance, is that the users current height in power, is what is used as the select number to add and multiply to during the Fusion itself. Blue Potara- Fusion lasts 25 minutes, same power multiplier as green potara. The two individuals’ powers increased together or their powers just add together. in 15 or so episodes, an extremely exhaused almost dead goku will get the power he needs to beat an entirely fresh jiren. Either that, or power level are bullshit and I've gone insane from trying to logic out Dragon Ball of all thing. Basically no matter what, the fusion will automatically get a base power of the two parts+greater of the sum+10s time of folds. Potara fusion, fusion dance etc. The same argument is applied to Kefla, as Kale and Caulifla clearly fuse while being transformed, and thus resulting into their rather powerful fusion that caused even Jiren to twitch his hand. DragonBall Fusion Generator is a (non-profit) fan based website. Assuming Buu's absorption is the sum of its parts, Buuhan is Super Buu + Gohan + Picolo, Trunks and Goten, equating to: Buuhan ≥ ~2.75 Super Buu ≥ 1100 radishes. Super Powered Fusion - SSJ Goku & SSJ Vegeta is a great unit, other than on his own “Potara” team, on Super INT and “Majin Buu Saga”.Being very well-balanced he can absorb most hits and dish out damage at the same time, but donìt expect him to always synergise that well with the rest of the team without some adequate team composition. As I said, this is only an estimation for the smallest possible multiplier for the Potara, calculating its exact value is an entirely different beast. "Majin Buu Saga" or "Potara" Category Ki +3, HP +130% and ATK & DEF +170%: Big Bang Attack: Causes immense damage to enemy, massively lowers DEF and raises Super Class allies' ATK by 30% for 1 turn: Call Me Super Vegito! SS Vegetto utterly toyed with Buuhan, meaning that his power level is probaly quite a bit more than 1.5x Buuhan. Just as I was going to bring up Hermes' tweet of Dance = Earrings into this discussion. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! If we go back to Vados' statement she states the power born is more than the sum of it's parts of so it's f1+ f2 > 2*f1 plus isn't the right function to use there, it's just for ease of understanding. Heck, a Vegetto made out of SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta, during Battle of Gods, may well have been a challenge for Beerus. While the concept was originally used for Piccolo's merger with Nail (and later Kami-sama), the term "Fusion" (in English, no less!) SSG Goku most likely wasn't fighting at maximum capacity, so matching Kefla against him is made all the more difficult. Dang it. At the end Kefla was using Caulifla's red ki to power up. Vegeta Stated that "Kakarot" Surpassed him greatly so he used Babidi's magic to become on Par to "Kakarot" but since Vegeta died the spell wore off so we can assume that this multiplier is a little wrong. Potara Multiplier is nonsense Ryuu_Akamatsu 2 years ago #1 Let's talk about how nonsense Potara (and fusion dance) in general is. As shown with Shin and Kibito, the earrings do not have to be from the same set in order for this to work. Light Purple Potara - Weaker fusee's personality is dominant, otherwise identical to silver potara. No Hate tho:). (Admittedly, I don't know how much Pi-Tru-Go contributed to the overall calculation, so I lowballed 10%). Likely given how much stronger base Kefla was its actually way above that. Here's where Vegetto comes in. I think the most common accepted route for the fusion dance was... Base + Base times 10. Elder Kaioshin + old witch: Extremely different in race, build, and power. Ever since Vados' comment that Potato Fusion adds the 2 fusees' power together and multiplies tht by tens of times, I've been thinking up a way to approximate the formula. There is no canonical evidence to … Mind you this is only my opinion. My answer is, yes, yes it would. Let's assume vegeta, gohan and goku's base form at approximately the same power level that being “x” Ssj 3 goku = 400x So, back in the Buu Saga, Goku and Vegeta are evenly matched as SS2, so their base form must be equal as well. DragonBall, DragonBall Z, DragonBall GT, and DragonBall Super are all owned by Funimation, Toei Animation, Shueisha, and Akira Toriyama. Daizenshuu EX - Guides - Transformations Guide - Fusion: Fusions were an extremely interesting concept for Akira Toriyama to bring into the Dragon World. they always get as strong as they have to get, thats it. Gokū and Vegeta also used this technique to create a fusion; an immensely powerful fusion named Gogeta. This means that after dividing by 2 for the 2 girls we have x50. so we don't know exactly the power, but base on the comments of Vados that full power SSB Goku would have stomped SSJ1 Kefla, and that SSG wasn't close to full power output. The Old Kaioshin also said that there is no need to go SSJ before the fusion (potara in this case) and they can transform after merging to multiply the individuals powerlevel. Disregarding the power of the fused characters, the potara fusion multiplier will never be > than the Ultra Instinct Multiplier. Let's talk about dbz buu saga where the potara fusion and the dance fusion occurred. Fusion has always been one of the most recognizable and important techniques in all of Dragon Ball. Just all questions that are never answered. Power levels are bullshit, multiplied by plot relevance, rounded to the nearest ass kicking then multiplied again by plot necessity. This effect also occurs with the Immense Damage Multiplier and Aura Meter Max Muliplier. They will be automatically drawn to each other until they connect, then fuse. and the kaio kens multiplier kinda loses its meaning when anything it multiplies has gotten super variable. I do believe that, in that regard, Potara is similar to Fusion Dance, as Goten and Trunks were urged to transform and then fuse, to get the most of the Fusion. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. We can only assume that the fusions will be between SSj3-God Ki level. Potara Fusion. Vegetto of Universe 16 was born from desperation of defeating Buu. Vegito in DBS was clearly on a whole another just because I guess SSB is really damn strong(doesn't seem like it at times because Goku never goes full power SSB.). Give the LSSJ transformation to Vegito+God Ki, and he would be the same as Kefla with God Ki+LSSJ. How Strong is the Kefla Potara Fusion? I thought it was the higher fusee base multiplied by the second fusee. could we argue that the potara are different for every universe? The Potara fusion is also dependent on the characters who fuse and I think it is safe to assume the multiplier always stays constant. * tens of times it increases power author ever since frieza was.. 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